Meet Keri Norley, cryptocurrency expert and Wealth Alchemist. If you’ve been wondering what cryptocurrency is and whether or not you should invest in it, this episode is going to inspire you to dive right in!
Keri is passionate about shifting the wealth consciousness of the planet. Through her work, she helps you to magnetize, hold and grow your wealth so that you can move into ‘The New Wealth’, achieve your dreams, and leave the legacy you deeply desire.
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Jeffrey: Welcome back to the show. I'm Jeffrey summer Rono and I'm back with Katie Collins. And today I'm really, really excited because we're diving deeper into our money talks. And we're talking with a very special guest Carrie Norley, who is going to bring some, probably some money bombs that you're not ready for. Or maybe you are ready for it. Katie, please introduce our special guest today.

Katie: Yes, I'm really honored to introduce Carrie nearly. She is the wealth Alchemist. She is an international wealth and soul alignment, activator mentor, speaker, and author. She's the author of two books, including the international bestseller, the new wealth magnetizes abundance, hold your wealth and leave a legacy. She has an international top charting podcast called the wealth Alchemist where she dives into all things, wealth and money. Her mission and passion are to help shift the wealth consciousness of the planet. She is an American Aussie living in Colorado, the best date and loves dancing and good quality chocolate. So Carrie, I'm so glad to have you here. It's been fun getting to know you better. I love that we're both in the Denver area. Um, so I would love for you to give our listeners just a, a quick snippet of your story and like what got you to be here in, in the world of talking about wealth and money consciousness and all that jazz.

Keri: What got me here? Thank you guys, both for having me here. It's an absolute pleasure and honor to be here. I'm really excited for this conversation today with you. Um, I guess a little bit about me is so what got me into money and wealth? It's an interesting question. I actually grew up in a very wealthy, successful family. And for a long time, I taught manifestation work. And in these last few years, especially since well, this last couple of years, especially as the economy has been quite interesting and stuff has been quite interesting. I really knew that it was time for me to step more into the actual money aspects of this. And last year I was called to write that book called the new wealth mangroves, abundance, hold your wealth and leave a legacy. And, uh, it kind of like set a ripple effect into my world and into life.

Keri: And everything has kind of shifted ever since then. And I just understand and completely know that my work in the world is to help realize that no matter what's happening in the world right now in front of your very eyes, we have a new way of being able to live in this planet and a new currency that is here for us, a new way of doing banking, a new way of like living in the money financial system. And we can completely break, break free of the banking systems. And so I am on a mission to really help people to create financial sovereignty in their lives.

Jeffrey: Love that this us. So I'm so excited about this today. So, uh, so, so talk to me more about, uh, you know, shifting your wealth consciousness and what what's the work to be done there. Um, w w what are people missing or what do they need to be prepared for, or, you know, where do we start? Where are we?

Keri: So, so a lot of people, when they start doing money, mindset work will do money, mindset work. And so we start to look at the mindset that we have around money. Um, and I think it's a really beautiful place to start. It's usually like the entry point into this experience. And so even from there, like, even if this is the first time you've ever heard, and I think according to what I'm hearing from both of you, it's not the first time you've heard this cause on the show you guys like to talk about money stuff too. Um, but like, you'd have to starting to talk, look at like what your, what your family patterns are like, how did you grow up? And what were the things that your family said to you? Because that's going to start to reveal how you're showing up for your money.

Keri: Now, once you understand your mindset stuff, which I know that you guys are talking on this, on this show, and the next level is to how do we release that? How do we shift that? Right? And it really starts to look at a new paradigm. And what happens traditionally is like, it's not just about your, your personal story. It's also about the conditioning from the global world, which is some of the stuff that I really love talking about because, you know, from a global perspective, we've been taught that there it's safe to be in banks. It's safe to do money this way. And like, this is how money has to be. But when we start to look at like the actual history of money and, and, and actually what is happening to our money, you can start to see that this is not necessarily serving us.

Keri: And so it's a matter of like, our consciousness is like, how do we show up and interact with money and wealth? And so in order to shift it, we have to shift our perspective on a personal and a global level. It starts with us. And then also we can look at the energy that we hold around it, like, so what's in our, our emotional state. How are we emotionally connected with money? How are we spiritually connected with money? How are we physically connected with money, looking at your bank accounts, the way that you literally physically set up yourself with money, but also like in our body. And I think this is something that is often missing when we start to shift consciousness or our relationship with things or manifestation. It's a big piece of the manifestation topic that I know I've taught for many, many years.

Keri: I've been in this industry for almost, I don't know, 16 years or something like that. Um, and, um, one of the things that's very often not spoken about is our body. And like our body is a, is a channel for, we are in the 3d realm, right? And so a lot of what happens on a, on a quantum field or in a spiritual field is that all of this stuff is going on around us, that we can't see. And a lot of times, even if you talk about manifestation from, uh, from the law of attraction perspective, they'll say you need to sit, meditate, visualize, imagine it all happening. But then when we just sit, meditate, visualize, and imagine it all happening, it doesn't become reality. It doesn't hit our 3d reality because it's left out in the clouds, it's left out in the, in the ethers.

Keri: And so our physical body can become such an amazing vessel for the manifestation because we are three-dimensional in this world. We are a physical body. And so one of the ways that we can bring through so much of our shift is with our body and what we store in our body. And I know that, I mean, I, my journey started as a, as a massage therapist, as a body worker. And so, um, without understanding, it's like, how much of our emotion, how much of our trauma, how much of our do we store? I hope I can swear on here. Can I swear on here? Do we store in our body? And then when we can start to release that, that's another level of our shifting in our consciousness, right? It's not just like what we think it's every single aspect in layer to our, our consciousness, which is multi-dimensional that we need to work on to be able to fully shift into a new reality

Jeffrey: Dancing. Dang. Right. I hope people were listening to that saying, wait, what? Rewind, rewind that, listen to it again. Yeah.

Katie: Yeah. I, I really, um, I am really aligned. Like I I've been saying this to my mom about, um, doctors, like we were raised to listen to everything the doctor says and do everything the doctor says. And I'm like, I don't believe that anymore. That may have been true when my mom was growing up, but I don't believe that anymore. So I it's the same thing with like the banking and just like what we're being told and what, and the hidden truth underneath stuff. Like, I just think it's important to always question it. You know, I'm not saying that you have to doubt everything or become a conspiracy theorist, but we should be questioning everything. Does that make sense to me? Does my intuition agree with that? Right? Like what is my body?

Keri: Absolutely. I mean, cause it doesn't matter, which again, it doesn't matter what side of the story you sit on in any area of your life. There is information that can be proven to everything. So at the end of the day, it's like what fits, what sits right with me? What feels right with me? What's the truth within me. And you'll get that answer to your body 100%. Yep.

Jeffrey: And I want to go back to that point about the, you know, feeling it in your body, being basically being a conduit for creation in a way where, you know, a lot of them manifesting talk and, uh, you create your own reality and all of those conversations come into play. And I think where a lot of people find it difficult is around money, right? Because whenever you talk about money, uh, you, you kind of instantly activate something negative and it's, you know, for most, for a lot of people, it's gonna be that, you know, droplet of soap in a pool of oil where everything's just like, whoop goes away from it. Right. You're kind of pushing away the reality you want because of the vibration. You automatically, without thinking attach to money. So somebody says you need money mindset. You're like, oh, we'll have that. Oh, that's hard. No, no, no. Like the instant, no comes up unconsciously subconsciously. And then suddenly you are this little droplet of soap in, in the oil where it just kind of makes a buffer around you just, you're not bringing it in and you repelling it.

Keri: It often happens for a lot of people and it's so unconscious. And like I said, even beyond our own personal stuff, stories, like we have so much layered story in the conditioning of, from the government, but also like we actually carry, um, seven generations worth of our beliefs. And so like, I mean, think about how many famines the last seven generations have been through. Like, even if it's not in your current family experience. Right. But how many, how many, um, wars, you know, like how much has happened in the history of the world that your family has lived through, that's within your cellular DNA within your makeup. And so whether it's conscious or not like that is what's driving you. And so it's really important that like, things like even movement practices or breath. Right. And a lot of people don't realize, like, I mean, I could get into all sorts of technical things I teach, I teach and I help people shift their, their stuff with their body.

Keri: But like, to keep it really simple, to give anyone here, because I like to give tips, you know, it's like, it's one thing to listen, but it's another to like, give you guys something to do. And um, so even if it's like, you know, you're feeling something in your body, like breathe it, you don't even have to have a name for it. You don't even have to have like a story to it, but it's like, oh, I'm feeling, I'm thinking about money right now. I'm paying my bills. And in my body feels like tension in my belly. Okay, cool. Feel that tension in my belly now, breathe it out. Maybe it's so intense that you want to throw a pillow at the wall. Maybe it's so like, you can just get up and dance and move, just move your body so that whatever that, that tension or that feeling that you have inside that you're feeling, you can literally just release it.

Keri: And with that goes the release of everything. Otherwise we keep holding onto that stuff. And it's like, if you can imagine, like you're talking about oil and you know, things like, imagine you have a cup and you've got a full and you're trying to penetrate something in more. It can't go in because it's already full of all this other stuff. And so if you think of yourself as this vessel, that's like, that's a channel to bring through your dreams, your money manifestation, your currency, you are energy, you are currency. So if you have these blockages that are literally like dense in your body, and you're trying to bring this energy through, it will get stuck. Not necessarily stuck, but it'll get like, you know, it's like a river, they get hit rocks and it'll move and it won't be able to get to the places it wants to go. Cause you've got like a blocked, um, channel. So the more clear that we can keep our channel through all different ways of our physical body, the easier it is for us to actually drop in that, which we desire.

Jeffrey: Uh Hmm. That's so, that's so true. I can already tell you. And my wife has a lot in common. I know

Keri: Like they're going to be buddies when

Jeffrey: You guys come to Denver. Yeah, yeah. Totally. All going to hang out pretty soon because you're speaking her language in my language. Uh, Elaine. Yeah. Um, I remember hearing something that was kind of profound to me and I'm, I'm almost afraid to share this because I forget where I heard this. So if, uh, if somebody was listening and they said, hi, I told you that. Sorry. Um, the, uh, the concept, I, I remember I was listening to this concept of, uh, higher dimensions. And of course the, um, day idea, if you were to run a sphere, a spiritual shape through a piece of paper, it would translate into a circle, right? So a circle is, uh, uh, uh, two, two dimensional representation of a three-dimensional object. And the concept was that without the paper, you wouldn't see anything. Right. And so we are the paper, we are the translators of higher dimensional things. And how do we translate that into our reality? It's through that, the whole manifestation processed. I love

Keri: That. That's yeah. That's a, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah.

Jeffrey: Right. So then I was like, oh my gosh. It's like, we're. Then they started to think like, okay, well we're, we're that, we're that paper, we're the thing translating and bringing it about and whatever it is like there multidimensions exist. How do we perceive them in our bodies, our emotions and our reality.

Keri: Yeah. It's a very, cause it's a very spiritual existence. And I mean, and it's ultimately where, you know, I think with what's happening now, if we start to look at, you know, I often share the message of like, what's happening now. It's like, what if we actually had none of like, what if we didn't listen to either side of any of the stories that are going on in the moment and realize that none of them are real or true, and that we actually rise above them into this next level. Right. Because we cannot live. So the new wealth to me is about living in infinite bliss, abundance, joy, peace, um, and love. Right. And so it sounds amazing, right? I mean, but it's here for us. And I think about like the fact that if I'm on different dimensions and in, I mean, we're going to go really out there right now, but like even an extraterrestrial experiences, right.

Keri: This exists already in this, in this world, in this experience of some reality, it already exists. And it's like, so how do we bring this into earth? Well, it means that we actually have to break free of the conditioning that we are currently being told has is here on this planet, which is lack, scarcity, fear, judgment, shame. But that's what most people live in. And it's, what's being sold to us from the top down. Right. Because we're controllable that way again, with whether we look at whatever stuff is going on. Um, especially money. Cause we're talking about money now, right? Like we're controllable that way. And they don't want us to have the freedom because if we had more freedom than we can't be controlled. And so, and on all these other experiences, different dimensions and different extraterrestrial experiences, this already exists. Right. And so these technologies already exist.

Keri: And so it's really like, how do we on this planet bring this through. But it means that we actually have to give up the construct that we're living in now. And that's why we're seeing so many things shatter. Like, that's why this is happening now. Like we're seeing so many of our systems and we're seeing the flaws and some people are still choosing to buy into that, which is perfectly amazing where everybody's at. And other people are saying, you know what? I don't like this system. It doesn't feel good for me anymore. I'm starting to see the cracks in these systems, including the banking system. Right? So the banking system, because we're talking about money, keep it to that. Um, the banking system, it's like when you start to look at the banking system, it's run by the global financial elite. And so the global financial elite, there's like 10 families in this world who just make a ton of money. They have so much money. It's not countable. Right? So most people in the world think that the billionaires in the most, most, most, uh, what am I looking for the most wealth wealthy, thank you.

Keri: The most wealthy people on the planet, but they're not the global financial elite are. And they have literally, when I was researching, they have so much money. It can't, it's not countable. Right. And so, and so they are the ones who are running the banks. They are the ones who are, who are dictating so much of what happens in our lives. And when we start to see like how this has all played out for years and years and years, it's like, actually that's not for me at all. Like they are not here. This banking system is not designed to help me this designed to help them get richer and richer and richer, which is not it's when you consider how much money they actually have, like it's obscene. Right? And so like when we start to look at that, there are other ways though, and this is why, you know, I think it's okay that I bring this in here.

Keri: This is why the cryptosystem is such a powerful place to be right now in play, because it actually takes that control from them. They can't ha like we then B, then we then can have our own banking system. We then can create transaction without being able to follow everything. We then can have a completely new decentralized way of life. And so it changes the entire economy, the entire end and borderless. Right. And so when we think about like currency as it is, and we think about, and like, this is the thing that I love personally the most about this new space and why I'm so passionate about it is because it literally is a great wealth transfer happening, right. With the global financial lead and the borders and the way things are right now in the world. Um, obviously we have immense poverty in places in this world that is beyond what most of us in the Western world could even fathom living in.

Keri: Right. And, um, and then we have these immense amounts of wealth. And so where do we, how do we bridge this gap? Well, part of that is like, if we actually didn't have borders and we didn't have economies that had occurrences that were through the floor on the bottom mass of it, right. And the economy and the currencies were the same across the board, like how much could we balance this? Right. So we have an amazing engineer. Who's living in Argentina. That's currency absolutely is crap. Right? And they're making nothing to live, but we have an amazing engineer in America. Who's making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to live. Why can't we have more balance in this? Right? And so when we start to look at this, we get to have this borderless experience of life. And it will completely revolutionize not only that, but like, I mean, I can keep going.

Keri: The blockchain in of itself is, is a place to record things. And so things like one of my favorite things that I heard and saw when the election went on last year is the post office and the us post office put in a patent to be able to use the blockchain for elections, for voting. Now, imagine you guys, we all know her what's been happening in this. Imagine if we actually put a vote in, and we knew that it was heard legit, the way that we put the voted and that no extra votes, but in, or other votes went in or whatever is going on in the craziest world right now, again, not just to get into politics, right? One side or the other, but like, imagine if it was actually like, this is the vote, everybody gets one, no matter where in this country you are and you get to have it,

Jeffrey: You can vote, you can vote with your phone. You could vote with your phone. You don't have to skip work. You don't have to stand in a line. You don't just whip out your phone. Dude. I've been asking for this for years, decades, for years

Keri: Tampered with, and it cannot be tampered with, right. So these are the things that are going to change because we have this technology and it brings the voice to the people. Right. And it's being rejected in many ways because the people above that are making all the money manipulating, controlling, don't want us to have this experience.

Jeffrey: Yeah. And, and I, and to me, that's okay, where do we go? Where do we go? You just look it up. So many cans of worms.

Keri: [inaudible]

Jeffrey: Okay. We're, we're now officially talking about cryptocurrency because I'm so, I'm so excited about that right now. And especially right now on so many levels, I don't want to dive too far. Like what is the blockchain? Cause you just, you know, if you don't know, go watch some YouTube videos. It's incredibly fascinating. The point I will make about blockchain is that it's, it's, it's basically a global ledger that you can't tap her tamper with. Right? Somebody hands you, something from the blockchain, you own it. Every blockchain in the world knows that you own it. It's all global. There's no tampering with the blockchain. You just can't do it. You can't do it. You just can't do it. So with that technology and just put that in your back pocket as we continue this conversation. But with that technology, imagine what's possible right now, we're using it for, uh, you know, selling artwork for millions of dollars

Keri: In empties.

Jeffrey: Ah, but imagine if we took that technology and as you just mentioned, put it into a global, well, I guess it wouldn't be global, but it would be a national voting registry system to where every citizen could whip out their phone, put in their vote and it's captured in the blockchain. And there's no, there's no with it. That's it, all of these things about, uh, tampering with voting tallies systems and doing redundant, uh, magnet, Stripe cards, along with your digital things and gone, gone, none of it. And all of those are, are faulty. It's cool to have a redundant system. I I'm all for it. Have a redundant system. That's great, but blockchain makes it different. And I can't, I personally, I can't wait to have it.

Keri: Yeah. There's so many cool things, so many amazing projects happening in the blockchain that go. And I think that the reason I say that and the important thing for people to go and listen about with this is because I think a lot of people, if you're new to crypto, you think, I mean, this is what I hear from people. They think Bitcoin, they think Bitcoin and blockchain are the same and that's all that they got. Right. But they're completely different. Bitcoin is something that is something that gets utilized on the blockchain. The blockchain has so many more functions than anything to do with currency, which is also super cool. Um, but then they have so many other functions that are happening in the world that are completely revolutionizing. What will happen in this world? Um, medical records can be stored on the blockchain. And so then you can give access to people to like, you actually would have access.

Keri: You actually would hold your medical records. Imagine this people, you would actually hold your medical records. And then you can open up access to that doctor because you're like, oh, I need to go and see a specialist for this. And they can see these parts of my retinal records. And then it can be like, oh, I need to go see this doctor for this. And now they can have access to that part of my medical records. And you hold that power. Not them, not some crazy thing, not like you're like, oh my God, who has this? And do I need to go find this and give it to that person? Nope. All stored on the place, all private, all secure. And so like, there are so many functions for blockchain that will completely revolutionize this world, um, that it goes beyond currency. So

Jeffrey: That literally can't start happening soon enough in I, right.

Keri: No, but this is sovereignty people like when we actually talk about sovereignty and it's interesting, cause I just started my, my course it's called new wealth from Krypton and I'm teaching people how to get into this space in the decentralized finance aspect, which we can also share a little bit about, because this is the banking system, which is a little bit different than it's, it's a space within the crypto space and what, I'm what I keep telling everybody in there. It's like, it's like, even me saying this to you, it's like, there's okay. So I can give you the steps, the technical steps to go and do this, like right. I can tell you, this is how you're going to go do this. This is how you're going to create your new banking system. This is how you're going to make money in a safe and stable way.

Keri: Getting high interest by loaning out your money, right? That's the, I'm going to say the easy part. I'm like I'm and I'm a technophobe. And that part scares me. And it's not easy unless you know what you're doing. Right. I would not suggest that anyone go out and just try and figure it out for themselves doing defy. It's not actually the easiest thing in the world. Buying a Bitcoin is pretty simple going out and doing defy has got a lot more complications, but the whole thing around it is sovereignty. And when you actually truly embody what sovereignty means that you fully have control over your money, your body, your life, your data, your data, your experience on this planet. Like it's a huge responsibility. And it's also a huge freedom and it's a big energy. Like I know we talk about mindset. It's a big shift and this is what I say to all my clients.

Keri: Like it's a shift to actually go wait a minute. If I want to do something with my, my, I actually, I actually hold all responsibility, all responsibility, all responsibility. And like the more that we can utilize this space, including like what we already talked about for voting for medical records, for finances, for it, for food supply chains, you guys, this goes so deep that we can have full sovereignty. It is a huge, huge, huge thing. And this is how we raise ourselves to the experience of the new wealth to this experience of some people might say the new earth, um, into this new consciousness because we haven't experienced that. That allows us to take these freedoms back. And so I say this because a lot of people, when you start to enter into the space, you will hear, like I said, like, we've already said, you're going to hear both sides to a story you're going to hear from the government and from the mainstream media, that it's a bad thing. There's full of. There's full of scams. It's dada. Don't use it. Yada, yada, yada. I'm going to give you all the reasons not to, because of

Jeffrey: All the reasons to stay, to stay, uh, dependent on their system, not to hand you a system, but to stay dependent on their system.

Keri: Exactly. And so they're going to right. And so they're going to feed this to us because that's what they want. And if you go onto the other side and you start looking in these other places and you hear what we're saying, even in this conversation and you go and start getting curious enough to do your own research, then you can start to open your mind. And it doesn't mean you have to race into anything, but open your mind to the possibility that this exists and then taking these steps, whatever the next steps like these small steps, just even if it's watching, learning, finding out more information, um, like I did an intro to crypto training that anyone I can give access to people if they're, if they want that too, like it's a free thing. There's stuff on my podcast. You can go listen to there's YouTube channels. There's other podcasts. There's so many ways to educate yourself. And

Jeffrey: Then that's all in the show notes, by the way.

Keri: Thank you. Um, there's so many ways to educate yourself and the first step is education. Because without that, you're going to assume this is all, uh, I always laugh, especially, I'm going to say in the spiritual world, people will say, I'm not cold to it. And in the, not cold to it, I'm like, well, whether you call it sorta die, it's coming for you. So you might as well learn now so that you're educated and you can make a decision about things. Yeah.

Katie: It's important to be informed about the other side. That's what I always say. Like, then, then you can make your decision.

Keri: Right, right. And that's the thing and yeah, that's the other piece, like just make an educated decision, right? Because right now you're being fed things. And also this is a thing that I hear a lot is like, I don't really want to invest in. It is volatile. I don't know. It's kind of weird. I don't know I was going to be there. And um, I'm going to say PayPal now has it, has it in its interface. Venmo now has it in its interface. Um, major banking institutions are taking it into their top level, uh, investing. Uh, we just had yesterday this week, this week, whenever this goes live, but it's the week of where are we in September 8th

Keri: Fish. Right? So on September 8th on September eight, uh, El Salvador bought its first Bitcoin as legal tender for the country. Like get this in your heads, people, this is not going anywhere. We now have a country that it is it's legal, tender as Bitcoin. Um, there are other countries in the world like Argentina, like Columbia, that it might not be as legal Bitcoin in legal tender, but that's what they are using currently to transact amongst each other, to pay their bills because they're there, like in Argentina, their, their dollar is so worthless that it was like they just started using it because they actually had more value in using Bitcoin or whatever other, whatever, their ways they're choosing to transact than it is to use. Um,

Jeffrey: T here's here's, here's the, the, the, um, Canary in the coal mine that I see from that, right? You have a country whose dollar is almost worthless jumping over to a blockchain based currency. Now a lot of people have been criticizing what's happened in the last two years with the government printing and printing and printing and printing trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars.

Keri: One third of the debt. One third of our national debt was, has happened in this year alone,

Jeffrey: A third, a third. Okay. So look at this, knowing that you've got to ask, how does a currency become worthless? And this all starts adding up, right? How does a currency become worthless while you print infinity of it, print infinity money. And it is valueless right. Print too much, and it's worth a lot less. Right. So what have we been doing? Printing a ton of money

Keri: And inflation is up massively, which really just means, I mean, it's up last I heard was 6% this year. Um, which is enormous. And the thing is that it's not that like, it's not necessarily like, it's interesting. Cause inflation really is that the dollar is actually just not as strong, right. Because we printed so much of it.

Jeffrey: And then, I mean, literally if you forecast that we're no different than Argentina were on the same path, we're on the same path. Right. So, yeah. So, okay. If we were to say that, Hey, let's say five years ago, 10 years ago, whatever, Hey, Argentina, you should just move over to the cryptocurrency, uh, move over to Bitcoin now or whatever. Like we're, we're in the early stages of what Argentina was going through. So this is why I'm so fascinated with cryptocurrency is because just looking at the exact exactly what happened there could happen here and it looks like it is happening here. We're just at the front end of it. Not at the tail end of it, where Argentina is like, oh my God, this is the last straw. What can we do? We've got to do something, something everything's going wrong. What can we do? And lo and behold, here's this, uh, you know, this cryptocurrency that's available and, and they can transition, but why, wait, why wait?

Keri: Right. And it's interesting because you know, like, I mean, I've, I've spoken to people who are talking about American. Not no longer. I don't, I don't, we don't know. Our only future is going to tell. I mean, I'm not a prediction person, but like the America will not be a superpower in the future because of what's going on right now. Um, again, I'm not, I'm not sitting here, you know, dooming, glooming and any of the predictors or anything. It's just something to be mindful of. Like, as we do this and as China gains more power, like, what does that mean? Right. You know, I know as Katie said, Carrie, you're not just from Australia and I'm an American Australian. I'm originally from Chicago and lived in Australia for 15 years. I lived in Sydney for 15 years and being Aussie and watching what's going on there.

Keri: Um, I know it as well, like China is buying up Australia. They're getting so many rights in Australia. And like, you know, they're getting rights in all of these different countries around the world. I'm pretty sure I just heard Thailand too. Like all, all these places and like, um, you know, we need to be mindful. Um, the other thing to think about with China though, is in the crypto world, they are already testing out their first centralized digital currency. And so when you want to talk about who's hitting the market first with it, they go, there'll be one of the first I think, to the market with their own government centralized digital currency. And, and this is why, and this is I'd said to you guys, just before we got on the show, I think this is one of the major, biggest reasons. If there, if you were hearing this show and you are still here with us, that you definitely want to start educating yourself because there are going to be, and there already, currently are government currencies coming out. These government, digital currencies are not the same as the other cryptocurrencies because they will still be controlled. They will still be centralized. They will still be of that, uh, experience. It'll still be like getting a us dollar, right. And in their own banking accounts, a go ahead.

Jeffrey: That's huge. I think that as a huge, huge point to make the difference between a centralized currency and a de-centralized currency. So w what is the difference?

Keri: Oh, such a good question. And it's like a, it's a, how, how long has a piece of string, but a hit with me and I'll explain it all. Uh, it's a bit of a complicated answer. Um, so centralized, we have many ways of looking at this. There's a centralized currencies. I E we have the U S dollar, the Frank, the Euro, the right, these are centralized currencies currently that we're using. Um, then we move into what many people will call the crypto space as decentralized. But it's interesting because as you're hearing right now, we are going to have sections within this, this decentralized crypto space that are actually still centralized. So these government coins that are coming out, my fear is, and when I watch this, they will be able to put money into your accounts. They will be able to take money out of your accounts.

Keri: They will be a very socialized system, especially when you look at China like, okay, this is how much money you have. Oh, you got extra money. Well, that's ours now, right? Because they actually have so much control over that. And how they also, with all currency that comes onto the blockchain, you get to code it however you want. So these governments can code it so that it's like, if your bank account hits $10,000, you can not have more money go into it. Like they can code it, how ever they want, which means there are good things for it when it's used for the good, and there can be really controlling ways to use it. And so these are the reasons we need to look at this. And again, none of these are out in like, I mean, I know China has been trialing it in certain places.

Keri: Um, I don't actually know at this point, like what's happened with those trials. Um, but like, this is why we have to educate ourselves so that, you know, to actually look for these things. So they're centralized in that way within the decentralized system then also. So I mentioned defile already. There is, um, within the crypto system, if we just remove government out of that, again, we have the volatile assets like Bitcoin, Ethereum, uh, what other ones doge, all these other. But, so I said that, um, so you have the volatile assets within the crypto space. And so those assets, and this is why I know a lot of people are very skeptical to get in because they are volatile as heck. Like they go up and down this week, we had a $5,000 drop on Bitcoin after it finally risen that day, it dropped by the way was the day that, um, El Salvador came into the market.

Keri: So like we had institutionalization. So we're going to see some of this. We're going to see a lot of stuff shift as we have more banks, more countries, and more people come into this market. More. They, what they call the whales, the bigger players in the world come into the market. We're going to see a lot of shifts happen. Now, when you look at that, that is also part of what we people would say is the decentralized space, because it's not being it's on the blockchain. It's not within the traditional banking system and the traditional financial system within that. There is a subsection of crypto. That is my favorite place to play. And it's called the decentralized finance aspect of crypto. This is why I said, like the di decentralized finance can stretch a million ways right here, at least three I'm getting to. Right.

Keri: Um, and so within that, we actually have, when I wrote my book last year, I had this vision of this infinite abundance and this infinite wealth. And I was like, but how do we do that without a banking system to support it, right? Like, we're still gonna need loans. We're still gonna need these types of things that happen because we're still humans doing human stuff, right. I'm still not going to necessarily have 300, 500 millions of dollars to go buy a house. Right. I'm still going to need a loan for that. Possibly. I don't know, maybe one day we won't need that either, which is also another possibility. Um, but in this current reality, we do Ms. Current 3d reality, it's here for us right now. We do. And so I was like, how do we have a banking system? And then lo and behold, I reached, I reached out to somebody I knew in this space and I'll make a long story short.

Keri: I was asking him for crypto stuff. And he introduced me to defy. It is a complete banking system within crypto. And so you can actually get loans and you can actually borrow money. And so this is how we completely can shift. And from this space, what happens when we do that? So where my, where, where I teach people to place their money for safety is in this space. Because it's like sticking, it's similar in the way that you'd stick your money into a savings account right now, if you stick your money into a savings account, it's 0.01%, right? We're not making any money. Yeah. And from that, the banks are making anywhere from 4% from your mortgage payments up to 24% for credit card payments, right? So they're making a ton of money on your interest while you make 0.01% and it's your money, and it's your money.

Keri: Your money is sitting in the bank. They are loaning it out. They don't even have to, at this point, keep zero. They have to keep $0 of your money. They used to have to keep 10%. They have to keep $0 of your money. They can loan out every single penny, which is how we will see the banks collapsed because eventually they won't have enough money to hold there. And then they can loan that money. And then they can own that money. Like they're so far in these loans, right? And so, uh, the same concept, you put your money into a space and it gets loaned out via smart contract. It's really amazing, simple, easy. It takes minutes. You put your money in and, uh, and it sits there and your money can sit there for years and years and years, just like it would in a savings account, getting loaned out your money gets loaned out.

Keri: But instead of the banks making the, the interest on the loan you do. So the money sits in those accounts. It makes not only because banks are smart, they actually make daily compounding interest. The people at the top make the daily compounding interest. They give it to us and like yearly monthly, quarterly, right. Crap. And you make daily compounding interest. So you're making money every single day that your money sits in an account and it compounds on top of itself. And so you can make my accounts I'm looking at. And the people that I'm showing is anywhere from six to, I've seen 39%. My mentor just said he found one that was 90, 90% guys, 90. I haven't, I haven't found that one yet. So like, don't hold me to that one. But like really six to 23% is where, and I've seen it. I've had him in my account, six to two, I've actually had up to 27% that I've seen, um, in my accounts showing up daily to sit there, not be volatile, just like your money sitting in a savings account when you can get your head around this, because ultimately you are taking the same, like your money is sitting there.

Keri: Just like being loaned out, just like it. Isn't a regular bank. It's just that now you make the money because there is no middleman.

Jeffrey: And this, this is why when I hear people resistant to cryptocurrencies resistant to the blockchain, I'm just like, why, why

Katie: [inaudible],

Jeffrey: If you don't want that money, I'll take it. [inaudible]

Katie: I don't think it's, I don't, you know, I don't know. Is it resistance? I think it's lack of education, number one. And so it's, it's really important to understand what you're doing. It's just, I don't want to say it's just like the stock market, but I relate it in that way, in that I don't understand the stock market, so I'm not playing there either. Right. So, so I think that's part of it is that they just, people just need to, it needs to be brought down to a level of understanding because like my first I'm just listening to all this. I'm like, okay, you know, this is the podcast where I say the least, which is awesome. I'm learning, I'm soaking it in. It's great.

Jeffrey: But

Katie: I know, I know. Um, but I love it because I am, I'm the, I'm the audience listening, going. Yeah. But yeah. But right. So I, and I, because I don't understand any of it. I'm going to ask a stupid question. Um, but I'm just like, okay. So, so I'm making all that money and it's in this sort of online intangible space in my mind, it's intangible because it's not my pocket. I can't go to the ATM and grab it out. So how do I, how do I, how do I go get it, Kim? I go to the HTM. Okay.

Keri: Well,

Katie: How do I get this virtual money?

Keri: We're talking about going into the supermarket and be spending your crypto. And you would not know the wiser. Okay.

Jeffrey: You can take a card

Katie: Like with like a visa, MasterCard, symbol,

Keri: Or visa is actually coming out soon from what I have seen and heard visa will actually be utilizing crypto as well.

Jeffrey: Here's the thing we're so close on this, because right now we have a physical relationship with money, but we don't for the large part, never interact with physical money. How many times do you go to the bank or ATM, get cash out, then go shopping. How often do you do that? Right. So very rarely, if at all,

Keri: I think my cash out at the supermarket, and by the way, I may be a crypto person, but I still firmly believe we need cash in this economy. I still like to spend money in cash. Yeah.

Jeffrey: Yeah. But, but you know, to, to that point, like we don't, we don't really interact with money currently. We don't, it's, it's a card, it's a plastic card already digital already. So, so I, that's why I feel like this shift when, when people find this out, when they discover these secrets that, that Carrie you're talking about, there's going to be a flood gate saying, wait a minute, you mean I could do this too? Yes. And then it's just, and then there's no holds barred. Everyone's moving over. There's no reason not to. It's like, you know, that's, that's why I'm so excited. So excited for this. So excited. And just talking to you, I have so much to learn and I'm already excited about it. The rabbit holds keeps going. I'm curious, are you teaching people how to move their money into those kinds of accounts I'm signing up tomorrow. I'm telling you, I'm going to take course because I am so excited about this.

Keri: So good. It's so good. I actually saw, I mentioned before, there's an intro to crypto training. I ran it. I'm assuming I'm going to keep it. I mean, reach out to me if it's not available on a link that is here in years to come, just reach out to me. I'm sure there'll be some way that I can tell you this. I just know that I'm saying that because I know the longevity of podcasts. Um, but currently, uh, last month I just ran an intro to crypto training and it's currently still available. And I literally am on one of the days, I will walk you through, for those of you who are absolutely brand spanking new and are just like, I just want to try this out. I really want a simple way to try this out. I had people in crypto within a half an hour.

Keri: Um, it's not, it's like actually buying something like Bitcoin or ether is actually quite simple. Right? And like you said, Katie, it's not easy when you don't know what you're doing and you don't trust it. And I love that. You said that because I'm not a stock market person. I've had my money invested by other people for me for 23 years, I've had financial advisors investing for me. And I knew enough about the stock market to be able to have a conversation with them to go up things. Okay, great. Let's move on then. Right? Yeah. Um, but it was definitely like, and this is part of where I love this space because I never wanted to. And, and I say this, especially because I'm talking to business people here, I never wanted to, uh, take, take over my finances and all of those years. Cause I was like, I'm not the expert in this, leave this to the experts.

Keri: Right. We all have that knowing, right. You get to the account and you give it to the financial advisor. You give it to this, whatever, right. You guys here doing your launch stuff. Like we give it to the people who know what they're doing to help support us when that's their expertise. And so that's how I felt, especially around the stock market with the crypto space. If you were going to trade, you need to learn it. Like you need to learn the stock market. Right. Because that is a skill and it's not easy. And it definitely takes an education. Right. And really it's becomes like a job. What I teach is first of all, if we're going to buy a Bitcoin, you can, you could, you could shuck. I mean, this is what people did. I said, just go buy, put a hundred bucks in and just see, like, if you're willing to give a hundred dollars to try something out or $50, like just go and try it.

Keri: Just experience it, see how easy it is and see. And like, it was really interesting because when I, when I ran the training, Bitcoin was at 29,000 and he was sitting at like low, at like 17, 18, which we hadn't seen for a while. Within two weeks, we've seen it skyrocket. I just saw it at 51,000 last week. Like I said, it dropped to 46 this week. And he was just about to break 4k. I was like, I bet all those people who came into my training are forgetting loving, loving this right now. Right. And so that's, and again like, this is the problem though with the volatile market. Like, because eventually it could bottom out again and like there's no, there's no knowing. Right. We don't know if it will drop again. I don't imagine that either of those are ever going to drop down to zero, but I was just saying, who's just saying GameStop happened when GameStop happened. Right.

Keri: And so that's why I liked the defy space because you're not in the volatile market. And you are with this safe experience where your money just like consistently shows up for you every day. And I know for me, as a, as a manifestation, courage as a money and wealth courage, as someone in business, how many times here people said, if you're listening in to the two of you to, I make money, every single day money comes to me every single day. My name shows up in my bank account every single day is that like the dream that we all have, right. It is the dream that we all have. Now, all of a sudden it is fricking real, right. It's real as a real guest and it does not stop

Jeffrey: It. Doesn't

Keri: Drop down and you go like, oh my God, my money today.

Jeffrey: Yeah. That actually downs the highs and lows. Yeah. And I feel, and I feel like all that really takes is, um, moving out of a system that's working against you and into a system that's working for you. Yes. But I agree that transition's hard because it's unknown. There's a lot of unknown things. So if, if you walk away from anything from this podcast episode is learn about it just right.

Katie: Yeah. It's funny. So, you know, the joke in the launch squad is, um, often about my, uh, control issues.

Katie: We can't, you know, we keep it light, but you know, and so I make fun of myself more than they make fun of me, but I'm, I'm well aware. I like control. And I like to understand things. And even when I'm working with a health coach, I want to know my numbers. I want to understand my body. I don't want it to be this energetic. You know, I'm going to tell you what's going on. I want to see it. Right. So I, that tangible stuff. So I said to Carrie before this podcast, and just for the sake of listeners, I wanted to share, you know, like my more personal stuff around this because I I'm in this not yet. And as a sales coach, I talk people out of, not yet all the time I teach, I teach people how to get out of the, not yet zone.

Katie: Right. And it's all based in your, your fear and your doubt or whatever, whatever story you've got made up in your head. So the story made up in my head is the fiscally responsible thing to do as an American, who's looking to buy a home self-employed woman. I need to eradicate every dollar of my debt before I can start saving for my down payment for my home. And I'm on a very clear path of eliminating my debt and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. So that's what I shared with you is like, oh, I don't want to play in crypto guy because I feel like it's play quote, unquote, air quotes. No one can see me, but you guys, um, and insert air quotes here. Um, I feel like I don't have the right to play if I'm going to be responsible and, and see my vision come to reality. And then you so dearly, you know, shook your head and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, coach me on the podcast. Don't coach me before. So what would you say to somebody like me? That's kinda like, ah, not yet. Cause I have to do this first with my money

Keri: Question. Like just in general is like, why do you feel like you have to have only paying off your debt and not to be growing your wealth?

Katie: Um, yeah. And, and it's not that I'm not, you know, I'm, I'm quote unquote growing my wealth. I do have a financial advisor and I do have money, you know, kind of locked for my retirement, but I know there's not enough in there in, in my, in the lifestyle. I want to be leading for the rest of my life. Um, so I feel like I'm doing both, but yeah. I just feel like I can't save. And I think this is my financial advisor in my head and I brought up crypto to her and she was like, hell no, no, no, no, no, no. Of course she was right. It's like asking your doctor, should I go to this energy healer? You're going to get a no. Right. It's asking your partner, what do you think? Should I spend 10 grand? You're going to get a note.

Katie: So people, people find safety in the know, right. Well, my doctor said no, or my financial advisor said no. So I really do. I have this balance of like, I want to be in control. I want to understand things. This is so out of my realm and it just, it feels overwhelming. Um, but, but to answer your question, I do want to be building wealth while also doing the responsible thing of, of paying off what I borrowed. That's the responsible thing to do. I want to, I want to make sure that I can do that. I think that

Keri: Generally speaking with debt, people get themselves trapped in, in this situation, generally speaking, uh, that I have to pay off my debt before I can. And I don't think it's very healthy to begin with personally, in my personal experience

Katie: Of belief down, carry do it because

Keri: At the end of the day, then you're just saying my debt matters more. My debt matters more of my debt matters more of my debt matters more. Yeah.

Katie: And then it's debt, debt, debt, debt, debt, debt. Right. That's all that you're saying what you're saying.

Keri: So like, what if you take, you know, so if you're making $200 a month payment or whatever it is right into your debt and you go, okay, well, I'm going to put a hundred and a hundred dollars into my debt and a hundred dollars into my growth right now. And especially if you start to look at places and I guess this is, there's two things, there's two things. One is, um, I actually talked to my mentor at some point around with crypto. You can actually remember we can do loans so we can actually borrow in the crypto space and your loins and the crypto space are going to be probably cheaper than your credit card loans. So the other option, so some of these loans, what's

Katie: The rate that you're looking at

Keri: For a crypto. It depends on a lot of things and I haven't actually loaned from there, but it could be anywhere. I dunno, it's usually I've seen 5% up, right.

Katie: And your credit score doesn't matter. Right. That's just an American bit made up thing. It doesn't matter.

Keri: You have to have collateral for it. And I don't want to get into the whole technical aspects of this year, but like you can put, you can take a loan out from the crypto space and you can use that to at lesser amounts, pay off that credit card debt, and then just pay your crypto loan. Right. So you're actually paying less and you're not being penalized with your, uh, you know, like consolidating debt and all that kind of stuff, which can happen when we start to look at debt things here. Um, and so that would be number one, that would be like the number one thing. Also, I have someone that you might want to have on the podcast. I'm just going to say, who talks about debt? She has an amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing way. She's on my podcast, talking about debt. Her name is Kristen Jod.

Keri: Um, and she has an awesome way of helping people to clear debt and do it way faster. Like even paying off mortgages all the things way faster than, um, than we would traditionally. And she is a financial in the financial industry. So she might be someone you want to like interview here and also chat with yourself. Um, uh, and then, so, and that's within the traditional financing outside of crypto space. Um, so those are options too. Like there are ways you can pay down your debt faster. Now, again, mentally energetically, spiritually, emotionally, physically. It's amazing to start staking claim for yourself and saying, I am also growing my wealth and my wealth is actually equally as important to me or more sorrow than paying that off. And by doing both, I open up to both. It's not an either or it's an end, right. And right now you're in an either or you're like, I only have enough to pay off my debt. I'm not also anding and I can write. And which one's more important than your making your debt more important than my financial future or your financial future.

Katie: And, you know, I talk all the time about ROI and programs. So when people are like, ah, should I spend 10 grand? And I'm like, well, how fast can you make it back? You know, so to me that, that is the part I'm missing is that like, I'm gonna make money doing this crypto idea. And I need to get comfortable with that knowledge and understanding that even if I'm slowing down paying my debt and the long run, it will balance out.

Jeffrey: And can, can I ask, uh, another stupid question

Keri: Now and a stupid question,

Jeffrey: Is it, uh, you, you mentioned that when you put, when you're dealing with a defy financial, uh, defy account, you're earning upwards of 20 to 30%, right?

Jeffrey: Yeah. Okay. Wherever it goes, wherever it goes, um, what, what would you say to that person? Who's like, well, I'm going to take out a a hundred thousand dollar loan with, you know, from Wells Fargo or whatever, uh, and put it into that. And let's say the Wells Fargo gave you a 5% interest rate and you put it into a defy account and it's earning 22. And then you pay off that loan with the 22% interest that you're earning from the a hundred thousand in that defy account. And then at the end of that loan account, you've got the a hundred thousand plus a more, what would you say to

Keri: People do that? And people do it within the crypto space. That's why that's actually literally why there are loans within the crypto space. So there are people who will actually learn. So the way that it is it's collateralized within the crypto space. So if you put 10 K in just like that, I can then take a loan off of my, my 10 K that's sitting in the crypto space. So for example, like the reason this actually started was because there's so many people who have like, we're going to call Bitcoin whales or people who were like obsessed with, right. They do not want to sell their Bitcoin to save their souls because they know when they bought it a thousand dollars and it shoots up and it's eventually, you know, if it gets to the a hundred K people are predicting by the end of this year at some point, whatever, who knows, we don't do predictions, but let's just say, right.

Keri: Even now the 50 K. Right? Yeah. They do not want to sell that. They're holding onto it for dear life. It's called huddling, hold on for dear life. Right. And so, um, anyone now knows what that means. Um, and so what happens is they actually collateralize that they say like, you would to collateralize your house, right. I'm going to take a loan against my house. Right. And so here, they're saying, I'm going to take a loan against my Bitcoin. And I'm going to say, I'm going to put in one Bitcoin or $10,000 worth of Bitcoin, and I'm going to take out, my daughter needs a car. I need to go pay this off in, in the, in the real, in this, in this world over here that we pay in cash in. Right. Yeah. And I don't want to use my Bitcoin, but I'm going to collateralize it because I know I can actually pay this back. Right. And so they pay it back and their Bitcoin gets to stay as a Bitcoin. They didn't have to, and in that time they could have made 20 K they could

Jeffrey: Have. Yeah. Because it could have shot

Keri: Up because it could have shot up. Exactly. Right. And so then it gets paid back that way, or however does, it's risky if you're using it. It's a risky, risky thing. Like if you're going to take cash out and, and just like, if you were to take cash out, invest anyway, right. If there's a risk to it, there's a risk, like even within this space, we were, we were talking about recently that like, if you have, um, an investment, even this way, like I could put in some of my cash that I have as a collateral or my, my, um, crypto as collateral and the same way I can take out 10 K and I can pay my 5% of interest or six, whatever it is. And then I know I can go and put it into defy and make 15% and make my that.

Keri: But the second, like it's risky. It gets riskier as you do that. And so it's not something that like, if you're new into the, into the industry that I would be like, yeah, please go do that. Like, you know, the whole point for me in all of this is to lower our risk, right. It's to actually have our nervous system feel at peace. And like, one of the things I talk about is like, if you look at Warren buffet, Warren buffet takes consistent, consistent, you know, percentage over the years, he doesn't necessarily go into the riskiest places. He's one of the wealthiest men in the world by doing consistent, small things that get him interest every single day versus I'm going to go and be like the riskiest person in the world. No, because that, when we, and this is part of what I teach in my program is like, how do we set up a portfolio so that you know, much how much risk you want us you're able to tolerate, and that's healthy that you desire to tolerate.

Keri: And then how can we keep the rest in a really safe, stable asset so that, you know, like, so the people sometimes on, I'll say to them, like, depending on where they're at, it might only take you two years to recover. If you lost all of the money that you had in your risky assets, it might take you two years with your money sitting there in defy, earning the percentage that it's earning in a really safe and stable way to recover those risks without actually doing anything right. More risk that you put in the longer it takes. Right? So it could take you 20 years to recover it. Do you want to take that, take that risk? And so it becomes choices. And again, this is what you're talking about sovereignty, right? Like when we give this to other people, we lose our sovereignty. When we give this to banks, when we have other people making choices for us, we lose our sovereignty.

Keri: And this is the aspect that, I mean, for me, this is what I'm saying to you. It's one thing to go put the money in. Right. That's like, I mean, it's techie and it's not, you know, it's complicated, but I can teach that. Right. It's the next piece of it is like, what are you going to do? And are you going to stick to your commitments? Right. You know, like when the market drops, I was like, I already have on my volatiles. I'm like, my whole body was like, oh, buy more. Because the market was dropping. I knew it was going to go back up by the day. But I was like, no, you have your volatiles. You have your percentage, let it go. Right. And so I listened because that was my plan. And again, it's about being sovereignty and listening and like taking the responsibility for ourselves and knowing long-term, I'm playing a longterm game here. I will be better off then if I put more and more and more and more into my, my volatile, risky bucket.

Jeffrey: Yeah. Gosh, I think that, I think that sovereignty is a scary thing for a lot of people.

Keri: And it's why a lot of people have fear. Like it is it's, it's an amazing, we weren't raised to seek it. That's the thing. Yeah, no, yeah. It's very uncomfortable. Yeah. And that's why I was saying like, there's a lot of like, there's a lot of, uh, like, you know, Katie, it's like the, you know, it's, it's the piece in the sales part where it's like, there's resistance to it because actually it sounds really good in theory, it sounds amazing. And the responsibility that comes with it is something that needs to be considered. It's also fricking amazing. It's freedom. Like it's true freedom.

Jeffrey: And I feel like, I feel like this crypto blockchain thing, this whole scenario that's playing out right now is a catalyst to such bigger things, because never before in history has the individual. It's always been the institutions that take on the risk, the responsibility and all that kind of stuff. You know, I'm going to put my money in an X bank or Y bank and it's FDAC insured. And I don't have to worry about it. I just put it in there. It's fine. Never before, are we now in this position? Like, okay, well you can be your own bank and that's scary. What does that mean? Wait, will the FDAC ensure me? No, no, no. You've got to, you've got to be responsible for it yourself. And I think there's with great risk comes great reward. But also

Keri: There is also, um, someone told me yesterday about an exchange that is FBIC insured, which is amazing. I know Coinbase has, is working towards FDAC. I'm pretty sure they are. Um, but like, they're the first exchange to go public. Like they're now trading on the stock exchange like this.

Jeffrey: Yeah. And I just heard, they were getting pushed back from the NEC that says they cannot do lending. So why were they the only ones not doing lending or something?

Keri: No, it'd be really interesting to watch that play out because we're the only ones, the only ones who are like some. They're like, I'm on the stock exchange. We're doing the thing. We're going by all the rules. And now we can't do the thing that everybody else is doing.

Jeffrey: Yeah. It's literally like, well, DSCC, can't do anything other than tell you not to do it. So if you're already doing it, go ahead. But if you ask, if you can do it, they'll say no.

Keri: Yeah. I just think again, I think it's the control. They don't even know. And I think a lot of people in these institutions and in the governments ultimately don't understand it to be able to make policy for it.

Jeffrey: Yeah. And I mean, we're kind of facing that when the internet became a thing, right. Suddenly it's this wild, wild west. And we're like, yeah, we don't have policy for any of this. And you know, cryptocurrency is just now starting to get politicians and the governments to think about, oh crap, maybe we need to make policies for this or whatever. Yeah.

Keri: Like they even tried, they, they made a policy a few weeks ago. That was quite an uproar in the states in which they were trying to ultimately tax the people or I think have tax regulations for everybody who basically touched all the different places in crypto. But because they actually made this policy, like even for the miners, the miners don't touch my money. Like they should not be, they should not be, you know, have anything to do with taxation policy because they have nothing to do with what the end result. And so like, it was a bit of a schmozzle and they've tried to change it. I don't, it hasn't been changed yet as far as I know. Um, but it's like, it was really, it's not necessarily because they were penalizing the, the currency itself because people have started to go like, oh wait, that's not going to work. We'll try and change it to da. And they didn't quite get it through fast enough. So I'm sure like it'll all work out in the end, but like, it was the languaging. Cause it was like, they don't understand it enough to make the policy to make sense of it. That it was just like, that doesn't even make logical sense. Like that person shouldn't be because they have nothing to do with, it's like the person who's mining the gold and the gold mine doesn't need to be taxed because I bought gold.

Keri: Right. Like the person who sold it to me sure. They can pay their tax on the sales tax or whatever. Right. But like, so this was the policies they were trying to put into place. And so, um, you know, some of it is just like, they literally don't understand it enough in order to actually make policy for it. And so we're seeing things like this that are showing up. Um, the U S in general is the most regulated of all crypto. Like I there's many, many, many currencies in many places and platforms we do not have access to in this country because of the tough regulations within the U S um, and they're getting pushed back on that because they're also like, even this, this policy, they tried to put in place. It's like, they're saying, like, let's take our innovation from the Americans and take it off shore. So they will start to lose money and start to lose businesses because the businesses, like it's a, it's a borderless economy that we're creating this, this, this don't need to be on the U S soil to freaking make it right. But if they keep it on us soil, they will keep the money and the innovation here. And so they're having to like scramble to figure all this kind of stuff out. Um, so we'll see, only time will tell what will happen, but they can't, they can't exactly like take it down. Like it's not taken downable enough.

Jeffrey: Yeah. And that's what I feel like we're now, we're now at this, uh, you know, kind of a tipping point where it's a thing, now it's a thing. And you can't, unthink it, you know, so there's a better way to say that

Keri: Jeffrey and his made up word, we're getting mass adoption. And so if you're hearing this and this is like something, again like that, you just want to educate yourself on, don't put it off until three months from now. Don't put it off until six months from now. Don't put it off. Like, if I could say anything about timing in the market, if I can say anything about timing in life, like if you were sitting here and you were still listening to this, go and continue to educate yourself, because timing is really important right now, this will, this is coming. Like I said, we've already got, you know, I've already said visa is coming in, like so many of the payment systems. So much of the banking institutions, governments, they're coming on board with this. And the thing is like, right now, it's like, like you, someone said kind of like the internet, like when you got on and people were in the.com boom, right at the beginning of it, tons of people made a lot of money now, like getting in the.com industry is way harder, way harder to make money, even in the online industry, even here.

Keri: Right? Um, like when I started, I started as part of like, we started our online business 17, 16, 16 years ago, 15 years ago. And I can tell you, getting to the top of SEO then was way easier. We were like, number your number one, Australian distributors for supplements. It was way easier back then than it is now. Right? Yes. And so it's the same thing here that you're going to make more money. There is more available, even in the [inaudible] space, these interests, they probably will not stay this way forever because we have the opportunity right now to do this. And, and people swarming into the economies and all these different things and actually less people. Right. So when we start to distribute the interest, are we just because ultimately what's happening when I have my money in there, just like it, isn't a savings account. We're distributing the interest.

Keri: That's coming from the, from the other people who are borrowing, we're also distributing fees. Cause people have to pay fees to get into. And so when, just like, if you went into the ATM and you have to pay your $3 fee, right. There's fees within the crypto space. And so all of that gets distributed, but when there's less people in the pools doing that, you are making more money period. Also some of the volatiles that are getting distributed because they're new and they're making, and they're good distributing volatiles as part of our interest, then those volatiles are also rising. So like I've seen some of my volatiles triple double from when I put them in. So my interest is making more than it will in a few years' time when this is all stabilized and, and there's more people in there and all that kind of stuff. And so that's why, even if you're going in and you're looking at things like Ethan Bitcoin and volatiles, um, we're going to see the most growth right now. Like who's who here listening has gotten like, gee, I wish I bought Bitcoin was a hundred bucks

Jeffrey: Back when I was a buck 50 a coin. Right.

Keri: I mean, I know, I knew, I knew about it when it was below a thousand dollars, a thousand bucks, I knew about it, then I didn't buy it. Then I'm like, oh, too bad. I didn't buy it then dang. Right. But we still have that opportunity in so many places in the industry right now. And, and so you have the opportunity to get in and ride this wave up. But if you wait in two years, I always say to people I'm like in two years, you're going to be looking at me going, geez, I wish I'd done it. Just like, I always sit here and say to you, gee, I wish I bought Bitcoin when I was 150 bucks. Yeah,

Jeffrey: Exactly. And we haven't even touched on alt coins, you know, like Bitcoin's not the only player in the space here. And we have alt coins that are everywhere ranging from, you know, 50 cents to a thousand bucks or so. Like there's all kinds of opportunities. Tons of opportunities.

Keri: Yup. One of ours is 10 X and made us a very nice, you know, and it's lower so you can buy in on it lower. And when it, 10 X is, I tell you, cause Bitcoin can attend X anytime soon. No. Right. And this is why we look into these things because it isn't going to 10 X anytime soon. But like these old coins are texting. And I can tell you, when you put in a few grand of 10 X, that makes a big difference, and this is how we're going to start to see. And even these countries that are buying in and using Bitcoin right now, even if they're only using small amounts, because it doesn't make does just because they're using Bitcoin, doesn't all of a sudden mean that you're going to have one Bitcoin per person. Like they still have, you know, small amounts of Bitcoin to transact with. And, and I'll say that actually to anyone who thinks that you need to come in and buy like one Bitcoin and have 50 K you know, you can come in and put in a hundred bucks and get a small percentage of a Bitcoin. Right.

Jeffrey: You can literally buy 0.0 0 0 0 0, 0, 0 1% of 1%, but one of the coin.

Keri: And, um, and so those people who are getting that in these countries, that's how we're going to start to see this transfer happen too, because this dollar will still go up. Right. And then there it's increasing in value every day that they hold those, that cap the money. I mean, even if they're just transacting with it, um, which is exciting. Yeah.

Katie: I mean, you're very, you're very good at, um, you know, just making the case for like get started now. And if you don't, if you're not educated, get educated. So for those of us that are not like wanting to sit and watch a bunch of YouTube videos and learn about this ourselves, how would they learn that from you? Like where, where would you,

Keri: So you can come in and do the intro to crypto there's it's a few days, it's a few hours with the content and it will literally take you in, how do you get it? It's not just the overall it's like, how do you get it? What does all this mean? I talk a little bit more about defy in there, um, should be about on subtable portfolios, which is fun too. And, uh, so that's how, like I said, don't hold me to it. If you're listening to this new year, I don't know what that's gonna look like.

Jeffrey: Yeah. In your 20, 26 will people, are we playing?

Keri: I know, but even if it's not there, even if intro to crypto, as I'm talking about it, as we speak is they're not, not there right now. Just still reach out to me, find me you'll, I'll tell you how you could do it. So

Katie: Is that a recorded course that somebody would buy it's

Keri: Free. It's free at this point. Oh, okay. Why not

Katie: Crazy? Well, the price is right,

Jeffrey: Right, right. And in, in the year 20, 26, when somebody is hearing this again, it might not be. So

Keri: I don't know, firstly, at this moment, as I'm speaking to you, there is a free training. There's also tons of information. If you want to go onto my podcast too, if you go onto the wealth Alchemist podcast, um, I have a recording all about defined in of itself. I have some recordings with some guys who are in blockchain stuff around just around crypto and blockchain. Um, one of the it's I have a really interesting one on there. That's um, about the electricity. There's a lot of people who have a thing I did too, around Bitcoin and mining and people will say, it's so bad for the environment. Who's heard that one so bad for the environment because of the mining and the electricity it takes. Yeah. And on that, uh, episode, I will bust that myth for you. It ultimately, when you start to look at the, we just, just generally speaking, if you look at the amount of electricity that is taken to actually run banks, let's think about this. You guys, To actually physically have the amount of banks and the physical banks that we have for people to drive to their banks, to, to, for the employees, to drive for the computers and all the things that are now needed for the same amount of, you know, our digital currency that we have in the banks, all of that stuff, the actual running of the bank, electricity is far, much far worse than that.

Jeffrey: It's an interesting perspective because I remember Elon Musk just pulled his support from Bitcoin because of all the, uh, electricity it was using.

Keri: Yeah. But they've also gotten into, um, like there's people who are using, who've gone to Iceland where they have immense amount of wind power, so, you know, right. Wind power. And they can't even utilize all of the power for their electricity and they can't send it anywhere. And so there are now people who are moving there to be able to mine and using all this electricity that would have been wasted anyway, you know?

Jeffrey: Yeah. That's wonderful.

Keri: So there's, there's all sorts of things happening it's it's global. So it can be anywhere wherever these amazing sources of renewable resources are that would also ultimately have been burned off rain, water, power, wind, power, all that kind of stuff, um, that they're going and using. Sorry, it's actually quite good

Jeffrey: On that, on that. No, like there's a huge opportunity I see happening right now with, with just what you're saying, because there's, I know there's, I'm in Southern California, I think are these huge, um, power generating solar power generating like this big array of mirrors that heat, this big thing. And it makes all this energy and if they, so it's, it's the way the system is, it's like on demand power. So it fluctuates from time to time. And I forget what they said, but they were like saying that if they make more power than what's able to be used, they get charged for it. They're penalized for making more energy than what can be used at any given time. So it's like, dude, why, why don't we just have the crypto mining based around the power generator?

Keri: So a lot of, a lot of in the states, I know that you can go and listen to like details of this within that podcast. But ultimately like some of what they do is they'll actually set up in places where they have extra excess energy runoff and the electricity is being run, but they literally being run and not being used. And so, but they can't stop the supply. Like it's

Jeffrey: Not trustable turn off for a second. Um,

Keri: Right. And so they're just like literally setting up in these places where electricity would otherwise be wasted.

Jeffrey: I love that. I love that. This is what gives me hope for humanity. This conversation right here is what gives me hope for

Keri: [inaudible] the new wealth on the planet.

Jeffrey: Carrie is, is we got to wrap this up eventually, but I could make this a four to six hours. [inaudible] Is there anything we left out anything you want to add to this, to make this episode complete? Okay.

Keri: Ooh. I just, I just invite everybody to just open their hearts and their minds to a new way, you know, and Katie said it earlier to ask a lot of questions. Do not believe anything don't believe me, don't believe this conversation. Like don't believe anything, go into your own research. And then as we said earlier, like feel what it is for you and realize also like that. If we start right back to where we started, like the conditioning that you've been told is true is not true. Yeah. And if you can open your mind and all areas of your life, but we're talking about money now, so just open your mind and if you can start to open your mind and say, okay, so if all this conditioning that I've been fed and led to believe is the truth, isn't true. Then what could be true?

Keri: What is possible and allow yourself to start? Like, I love the game. What if, what if, what if it could, what if, and like I said to you guys right now, we live in a world where I'm going to have to get a mortgage if I want to have a house. Right. But like, I literally have the wife of like, does that even, even have to be that way? Do we even need currency at all? Right. Because like, I think of these other experiences, I'm like, do they have enough currency or do they just, I don't know. Right? Like what does that look like? What if right. And so when we start to like, just open our hearts and our minds to looking outside of the box that we've been told, we have to live in your entire experience of life can change. But it starts with you deciding today that you want it different.

Keri: Like you don't want to be controlled and manipulated. And, and ultimately like our freedoms across the board are being taken away in the world right now. And the fact that I'm having this conversation with you is intensely amazing because I can tell you how many places I'm being censored. And one of the best places in the world to find information is podcasts on this because YouTube is getting censored. Facebook is getting censored. Instagram is getting censored. I had my, when I ran my intro to crypto training, I had my Facebook lives. I couldn't go live. They wouldn't let me talk about it. I had my account shut down. I had, I was blocked in every way. I can possibly tell you I was blocked shadow banned and all the things talking about this because they don't want it to be seen. Right. And our freedoms are being taken away across the board on so many levels.

Keri: And so it's up to each one of us to really look underneath and make our own choices and look from both sides. Look from both perspectives and make your own decisions, but just educate yourself. Just make sure that you go out and do the take the time. Because like I said, you guys, this is not, this is not going anywhere for come back to crypto. This is not going anywhere. And whether you are cold to it or not, it is here. My spiritual, loving friends, [inaudible] in your heart and otherwise, cause I, I say that because if you do not, if you do not educate yourself, you can end up in places that you don't want to be. And also, I will say, speaking of places, you don't want to be, be really, really, really, really, really, really mindful of the social selling platforms that are out there on this.

Keri: Like they're not necessarily all for you either. So if you are in doubt, listen to that and go and do more research. And if you don't even know how to research, like go and ask them questions, come and talk to me, like do, do do the education, do the due diligence to know what you need to do so that you can, um, you can get into the space in a, in a really positive, amazing way because yes, there is some dodgy going down. There is dodgy that goes down in every industry. There's in sales, there's dodgy in cars. There's dodgy in banks. There's dodgy that happens in every industry across the board. Right. And so if you don't know how to like weed through things, like just be willing to ask more and more and more and more and more questions.

Jeffrey: Yeah. And it's the people who are willing to answer your questions that you should keep talking to. Yeah.

Katie: So Carrie, where can people find you?

Keri: Uh, you can find me on Facebook. That's one of my favorite places to play unless they're banning me.

Katie: Yeah. Jeffrey and I have a similar relationship with Facebook. So this is my message for Facebook that nobody can see, but us.

Keri: Yup. I have a love, I have a love, I have a love, hate relationship. Um, so yeah, you can find me on Facebook, Carrie Kaplan Norley or Carrie Norley. One is my Facebook, um, and Instagram and my podcast obviously. And I actually have a telegram channel, which I'm really not so great at, but I need to be better at, but you can find me on telegram too. Um, so that's, that's the most part. You can find me, my website, Carrie neurally.com. I'm available to be spoken to wherever you want to find me. Yes.

Katie: Yes. You're accessible. I

Keri: Am accessible.

Jeffrey: I have a feeling we'll be continuing this conversation because I've got so much to learn about this. And I'm so excited about this conversation. I feel like we're on the precipice of massive change globally, not just in our own economy and, and not just in money. Like when you were talking about, I just feel like there's so much potential. My brain is just like more, give me more, give me more. So this will not be the last time we talked my friend

Katie: Won't, it'll be interesting. We could do another one after we take the course and get some results. We'll be like back for part two,

Jeffrey: All my money into a defiant account. And now I'm making 26% interest and you're like,

Keri: Oh my God, did you wake up? Your body's like, yes, this feels

Jeffrey: Like yet. Right. And then I know, I feel like I'm getting on it kind of early, but I'd be like, I know, I would say, oh my God, why didn't I do this earlier?

Keri: It is early dark, especially defied is really early, really, really early days.

Jeffrey: Uh, so exciting. So exciting, Carrie, this has been so amazing. Thank you so much for giving so much of your time. Uh, and I think, I think this is going to be one of those, uh, anticipated in highly downloaded episodes because I'm excited about it. I'm sharing this with my cousin who, uh, is not on the crypto, uh, train yet. I can't, I can't convince him. Right. I can't convince him Jason. This one is for you. Um, uh, as, as, as for everybody else, thank you so much for joining. And if you also love this episode, as much as I did hit that subscribe button, leave us a five star review and uh, and write us a little note in there and write us a little note. We love hearing from you and to get all these show notes and to dive deeper into this world of crypto, go to the launch squad, lab.com forward slash episode 40.

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